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Ukraine Love Train
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Like anyone else with a conscience or even just a brain, we’re going a little insane from Putin’s “Rape of Ukraine.”
Of course, our poetic angst is nothing compared to the Ukrainian people who are being slaughtered by this power-mad bully.
As always, we’re for peace, love and The Bonobo Way, so we’re not going to get all ammosexual over this, like a lot of formerly pacifist people we know.
However, we greatly admire the Ukrainians’ passionate resistance to tyranny and remarkably strong self-defense!
Zelensky, the little Yiddishe Comic Who Could, has become a remarkable real-world leader, and the joke is on Putin.
Ironically, despite Putin’s claim that Ukraine is run by “drug addicts and Nazis,” their President is a Jewish comedian who lost several relatives in the Holocaust.
It’s hard to believe a Jewish jokester got elected President right there in the land of my own great grandfathers—a place where millions of Jews were ghettoized, persecuted and slaughtered in Russian “pogroms.”
Briefly freed by Lenin after the Russian Revolution (a generous and practical gesture that enrages Putin), they were then rounded up and exterminated by the Nazis, and most of those who couldn’t escape were killed or sent into gulags by Stalin. But a few stayed.
Now Volodymyr Zelensky, the little Yiddishe Comic Who Could, has become a remarkable real-world leader, and the joke is on Putin.
So, it’s truly remarkable to see, with boots on the ground and tweets on the web, Zelensky standing up to Putin, the biggest bully on the planet right now. As I write this, with every word, I’m checking the news to make sure my plucky lonsman is still alive, and I hope that hasn’t changed by the time you read this.
Turbulent Train Ride
But who knows how the whole horrific situation will evolve or (more likely) devolve?
By the time you listen to this podcast, all the news could change.
I hope it does change to a state of peace and diplomacy… with good sex for all—especially Putin, who seems to really need some good nookie… gagged and straitjacketed.
Can any of those notoriously great Russian sex workers volunteer for that (admittedly odious) job?
Maybe Phone Sex Therapy would help. Call us Vladi!
Meanwhile, anything can happen—from a sudden and glorious peace with Russian soldiers trading their arms for sunflowers and kisses to a nuclear WWIII that would be devastating all of humanity…
But for now, as we broadcast live from Bonoboville, there is “heavy fighting” throughout Ukraine, and heavy hearts throughout the world.
Vibrant Ukraine of Luzer Twersky & the Baal Shem Tov
To make a little more sense of it all, Capt’n Max and I invite our friend, multiple SUZY award-winning actor for “Funniest Fundamentalist Refugee,” Luzer Twersky, who recently spent over a month in Ukraine making “Dovbush,” a movie in which he plays the great 18th century Jewish mystic, the Baal Shem Tov who is actually Luzer’s own ancestor.
Winner Luzer holding one of his many SUZY awards.
Although Luzer is now pretty much atheist, as you may have learned on previous DrSuzy.Tv shows, he was born and raised in a very religious, prominent Saatmar Hasidic family with deep roots in Ukraine going back to this 18th century Jewish mystic, the Baal Shem Tov, who was, according to legend, kind of like a Ukrainian Jesus without the cross.
As good a storyteller as he is an actor, Luzer, gives us a very intense, very personal glimpse into what is happening in Ukraine right now, based on his experience making what sounds like a fascinating film about some of the history and legends of this extremely ancient, yet rapidly modernizing country.
At least, it was rapidly modernizing until Putin’s ghastly Rape of Ukraine.
In constant touch with the Dovbush cast and crew and other friends in Ukraine, Luzer talks about the real-life on-the-ground horrors of Putin’s assault, and updates us with Telegram app news flashes—some hopeful and others dreadful—directly from the “ground” in Ukraine, as they appear on his phone.
F.D.R. is now a breaking news show!
With Luzer Twersky and “The Luzers” of Norway (another country being threatened by Putin!), including Hans Petter Gundersen, Jason Hiller & Maesa Pullman, plus Helles Belle, Biz Bonobo and Tuesday Thomas with The Bonobo Way in Bonoboville on DrSuzy.Tv (2015). Photo: L’Erotique
Sorry it’s more about war than love, though we do talk about good consensual sex and sex workers in Ukraine.
Also, the show opens quite lasciviously, with Max spilling his beer like a gush of foamy ejaculate, all over the bar, reminding us of what delicious “make-up sex” orgasms we shared the morning of the show.
No doubt, wars and battles of various sorts can stir up hot erotic energy, one reason why some people have a lot of sex during wars—or between arguments.
There’s not much comedy on this show either, as Luzer reminds us of how unfunny it is to have bombs dropping in your neighborhood, as the bottom drops out of your life. This is what is happening to our brothers and sisters in Ukraine.
So, this show is a Ukraine Love Train, though we also express solidarity with the Russian people who are opposed to Putin’s war, especially the brave antiwar protestors being arrested in the streets of Moscow and St. Petersburg.
We even try to understand why this fellow human being we call “Putin” has gone “insane in Ukraine.” We even get into his actually rather legitimate gripes about NATO threatening Russia, piling up nuclear armaments near its borders.
We were proven right then, and we are right again: War is NOT the answer.
Still, invading Ukraine seems to be part of a personal Putin break-down, a “toxic masculinity”-based mid-life crisis that threatens the entire world. What’s that all about? Bad mothering? Lack of sex? Loneliness? PTSD from Soviet humiliation? Or, is it just a horrific case of Coronapocalyptic isolation?
Once More: Make KINK Not War
“Make KINK Not War” is still our anthem, as well as the name of last week’s show and forthcoming T-shirts!
If you need to take a kinky break from War News, check out Kink: Another Guide for the Perplexed (with apologies to Maimonides).
Thank you Xbiz for a nice review of KINK, which they call a “book.” It’s actually just a long article, but it will be a book soon—so stay tuned!
Also, don’t miss my State of the Sexual Union address 2022 now online. Of course, that other State of the Union that Joe’s delivering is important, especially now, but so is sex, love and the Bonobo Way.
This is not an easy position to take. Almost everyone wants to fight “the Russians” right now. It was not easy to be antiwar during Vietnam (ask Jane Fonda), nor was it easy to be antiwar during the first Iraq War, or right after 9/11, but we were then and we are now. We were proven right then, and we are right again: War is NOT the answer.
Maybe kink will save the day. Putin once claimed (absurdly) that there are no gays in Russia, so perhaps the shock of seeing that the Ukranian military is tracking Russian troop movements by monitoring Grindr will awaken him from his toxic war trance.
Meanwhile Trumpty Dumpty is calling his idol a “genius,” which has nothing to do with intelligence; just a bully impressed by a bigger bully. CPAC is featuring Republicans pounding down premium Russian vodka shots and spouting Putin/tRump talking points, and on the other hand, Biden is sending arms to Ukraine. Homo sapiens on all sides are arming for battle. Fingers crossed no nuclear warheaded Russian submarines are looking for a good place to shoot their loads off the Cali coast!
What can be done? Some say “pray.” I say: Stay hydrated, exercise, keep a bag packed with all your essentials, pay attention to the news from different sources, give what you can to charities you trust, protest war and injustice as loudly as you can, and have plenty of sex.
Listen to this intense show above or below, and/or read the illuminating transcript.
Can’t Watch or Listen to the Show Right Now? Read the Transcript to “Ukraine Love Train” (or follow along as you listen)
MAX
Wheeee! Wheeeee! Whoaaa…
Dr. SUZY
You sound like you’re coming.
MAX
My beer came, that’s for sure. Good evening and we’re live.
Dr. SUZY
It actually looks like you’re coming all over the bar.
MAX
We’re live from the beautiful city of Arcadia, and my thing got wet when the beer spilled.
Dr. SUZY
Mmmm… it’s very foamy.
MAX
Yeah, it’s very foamy. Everything is very foamy right now, homey and foamy.
Hi and welcome aboard Trip number 57. I believe it is this train that goes, could go anywhere. You’re never on the wrong train when you’re on this train because this train is the train man, that’s it. And it’s a lot of fun. So tonight, like usual, we’re going to talk about stuff that you may like, and stuff that may turn your stomach and maybe stuff that’ll make you laugh. But most important stuff that might make you think.
I’m here tonight with myself, of course, and my memories and with uh, my engineer 626 who is in the special tonight and of course my beautiful friend, wife and good sex partner and other things, Dr. Suzy and you know Dr. Suzy from a long time ago when you were up past your bedtime.
Dr. SUZY
Public access. Hey, I believe in socialism of the boob tube. It’s good for the soul and the eyeballs.
Dr. SUZY
So greetings Capt’n Max and all aboard the Ukraine Love Train.
MAX
That’s it, we’re on it, see.
Dr. SUZY
And where are we going?
MAX
Well, we’re going towards right here on Earth and we’re gonna make peace on war.
Dr. SUZY
Peace on war? Well, we’ve got the war already…
MAX
Yeah, right, so we had to change it around.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, we have to make peace on it. You know, like the bonobos, you have to have some great makeup sex. We know about makeup sex, don’t we, Capt’n Max?
MAX
Yes, yeah we do.
Dr. SUZY
We do. Everybody fights sometimes. Hopefully, people don’t get killed in those fights. People are sadly getting killed right now in Ukraine. It’s really terrible. But whatever the fight is, you can always make up, right? It’s the Bonobo Way to do it, with sex, and to do it with love, and to do it with pleasure.
MAX
And sharing and no greed.
Dr. SUZY
Socialism!
MAX
Y’all know about greed, right?
Dr. SUZY
We believe in lust not greed. You’ve got to get passionate about something. So, because our lust is so repressed, they use that lack to enhance our greed; “they” being the Capitalogenic forces in our capitalist-crazed society.
MAX
Well, for me it was very…. what happened to the mute button? We’re watching ourselves!
Dr. SUZY
Mmmm Floating forests…. beautiful. Well, while this is happening, I’ll just make a little sort of semi commercial break and stay tuned into my sexual State of the Union AKA my State of the Sexual Union 2022 which is now online, both on our Youtube channel, unless they censor it, and on Facebook, unless they censor it. So check it out. It originally aired on WCAP and we of course thank WCAP and Hartley Pleshaw of Active Radio for a great show.
And you can also check out “KINK: Another Guide for the Perplexed.” Thank you XBiz for giving us a little promotion. They published their own piece which was very nice and in fact they called it a book and I must say “KINK: Another Guide for the Perplexed (with apologies to Maimonides) is pretty long for an article, but it isn’t a book, not yet. But, it will be soon, so thank you Xbiz for the positive prognosis and also Make KINK, Not War!
That was the name of our show last week: Make KINK Not War. But unfortunately we got war. But we still have that as a slogan for our lives and for our hope for the future. So, we’re making T shirts: Make KINK Not War.
OK, enough commercials now. We have to get into the story of the night.
All aboard the Ukraine Love Train! We are on it and that doesn’t mean we’re not on the Love Train for Russia, especially the brave antiwar protesters in Russia. I have that Bonobo Love for everybody, but I have deep respect for the antiwar protestors in Russia, very very brave and getting arrested for their protests. I don’t think the Russian police are as rough with their protesters though, as ours are, are they, Capt’n Max?
MAX
No, I don’t think so.
Dr. SUZY
They seem to be handling them with care. But they are taking them away, perhaps forever to Siberia, so…
MAX
Yeah, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
All right, you feeling good?
MAX
Yeah, oh, I’m feeling great actually. Besides the problems of aging it’s not, you know.
Dr. SUZY
Plus a little Ukraine pain.
MAX
And Ukraine pain and the obscenity. The obscenity of humanity. Yeah these OK we, you know, it’s like we don’t agree with you, so here’s what we’re gonna do…
Dr. SUZY
Yes, Rich Dudley on Facebook agrees with us. “Lust is it,” he says. And he has a picture of a lusty looking dog on Facebook.
MAX
Oh God, look at that.
Dr. SUZY
And Mistress Lovett says “Hello Bonoboville.”
We are here on Facebook as well as I think Twitter and YouTube and some other places and we are showing different things which is live. Are we now showing my great grandfathers, oops it’s gone.
MAX
This is a German.
Dr. SUZY
That was your great grandfather, the German Nazi commander. And this is my great grandfather’s citizenship papers when he became a U.S. citizen in Pennsylvania. Sam Cohen became a U.S. citizen in 1899, and he declared himself to be loyal to the United States, not Russia. And it’s interesting because I’ve always heard that my great grandfather was from the Ukraine. A lot of Jewish people in America were from the Ukraine. They fled the pogroms of different sorts, and finally of course, the Nazis. But there were just your generic pogroms when my great grandfather fled.
Of course this was before it became the Soviet Union. The Tsar would encourage Cossacks and others to just kill some Jews for fun. So my great grandfather left this place they called the Ukraine and yet it was considered part of Russia and he had to forswear his allegiance to the Tsar of Russia, which he did easily. But, I guess I’m just making the point that Putin is an asshole. But there are always reasons.
MAX
Yes
Dr. SUZY
Then it helps even with assholes and bullies to understand what those reasons are, even if those reasons are no justification whatsoever. They are not, but we’re going to examine a few of Putin’s reasons tonight. I’ve been watching our friend Abby Martin who is always examining other sides of things that we don’t hear in the mainstream media.
So anyway, there are reasons, and yeah, there is no good reason. There is no justification for this action of Putin. which I am calling the “Rape of Ukraine.”
Now, Ukraine might survive. I believe it will survive, but this has been a rape. This has been disgusting and yet there are always reasons. And if the asshole is still in your house, you’d better figure out what those reasons are, so you can handle things, especially if the asshole has a nuclear bomb or 800.
So one reason – which is no excuse; Ukraine is its own country now – but at one time way back, it was part of Russia. It’s true. It was an almost colonized part of Russia that was mistreated a lot and the Jews were there. Some Gypsies. It was the Pale. It wasn’t Moscow or Saint Petersburg.
Putin is using that as an excuse. It is no excuse, but, it is part of the vision, the mentality that is behind this.
So just I’m looking at this as an antiwar person as a Make-Love-Not-War activist, but I believe in self-defense, and I certainly have great admiration for the Ukrainians. So I guess if I have to pick sides, well, I’m on the Ukraine Love Train. But I don’t want to pick sides, not exactly. I want them to defend their country, but mostly, I just want the war to stop. I’m not one of these “Let’s fight with the Ukrainians!” war-cheerleaders, not because I’m not on their side (I am), but because there in lies World War III.
What do you think Captain Max?
MAX
You know the one thing that is all these bombs are going off all over the place is that the Russian troops you know took over.
Dr. SUZY
Chernobyl, right? Ah, that is so frightening, yeah.
MAX
And did you know, and hopefully this is a rumor, but I’ve heard it on several places that the Russians have missiles or some kind of armaments pointed at the Dome there. That if they set that off, it will affect all of Europe worse than any you know worse than anything the world has ever known.
Dr. SUZY
Yes
MAX
Never known yes in terms of radiation and-
Dr. SUZY
You were born in World War II.
MAX
I was born in World War II and it looks like I’m going to die in World War three.
Dr. SUZY
I hope not.
MAX
Yeah, yeah yeah but not.
Dr. SUZY
Let’s not talk about your death. You had the Little Death, a nice orgasm, this morning.
MAX
Yeah, that was, uh, that was you.
Dr. SUZY
Something about that war fervor sometimes makes you have a lot of sex.
MAX
That wasn’t it.
Dr. SUZY
But I don’t approve of war at all. I’m just saying there’s something about the excitement and uncertainty of war, the fear that today is your last day, so might as well have sex. Whether you’re anti war or pro war, you know it’s sort of engenders some passion. So it’s engendering us to be very anti war.
I understand the people on the Ukrainian side, and though I’m a pacifist, I believe in self-defense. And I have a lot of admiration for the Ukrainians defending their country, especially, I think, for this comedian they elected President. Soldiers, and especially, I think for this comedian.
MAX
Oh he’s great. He says, “I’m not leaving.”
Dr. SUZY
Zelensky! I was talking about him last week as a kind of Zelig, but that was before the invasion got underway. But in a way, he’s more than ever a kind of Zelig character that is blossoming into kind of a hero. He is standing up for his country and he’s doing it in a passionate way.
MAX
And himself.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, of course, because as he says, he would be the first target.
MAX
Yeah, very important.
Dr. SUZY
And it is interesting that another one of Putin’s reasons (that is not a good reason, but it’s worth paying attention to) is that Ukraine is being run by drug addicts and Nazis.
Now I’m all for drug addicts, though not Nazis, and by the way, you know, there’s a lot of drug addicts in charge of America, especially if you count prescription drugs, but I don’t think Zelensky is much of a drug addict. As for Nazis, well, the Nazi part is interesting since Zelensky, I just found out, is Jewish.
I do understand from a little history course and a little rattling of my memory that there have been quite a few Neo-Nazis in Ukranian politics, especially in that Coup of 2014. So, Putin isn’t totally off-base saying Nazis have been in Ukraine, just a few years too early. That deadly Nazi Coup of 2014 was also very much supported by the U.S., including Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and Senator Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba-Bomb Iran…
MAX
That’s a song, I think.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, that was John McCain.
MAX
I remember that.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, he’s no longer with us, but John McCain supported this coup that was very mixed with different people, Neo-Nazis among them, and they did some killing and it was not very nice for anybody, but especially not for Russia.
And then there was some draconian measures against Russians living in Ukraine. That’s not an excuse for an invasion, but it, it’s going on. That’s no excuse for an invasion, and it’s certainly not a justification, but it has been going on, though a lot less under Zalenski, who speaks Russian. Like a lot of Jews, Zalensky was a comedian.
MAX
Yeah.
Dr. SUZY
So, he played a president, a good president, in a hit Ukrainian TV show, and then he got elected real president of Ukraine, a different kind of role, but a role on the world stage. And since he spoke Russian, a few Russian Ukrainians actually voted for him, quite a few. And as an actor, he got the role of a lifetime. And now here he is.
Remember, when Trump tried to bribe Zelensky into blackmailing Biden?
MAX
Yeah, he would have none of it.
Dr. SUZY
And now Putin is trying to bully him into surrendering his whole country and himself. He won’t return his calls, of course. But Zelensky is rising to the occasion, and it’s interesting to see a comedian become a leader in an age when most leaders are clowns.
I am a Bonobo Make-Love-Not-War and Make-Kink-Not-War gal, and there is no excuse for any kind of lethal aggression but there is such a thing as self-defense. A lot of people use violence and claim self-defense, but when bombs are dropping on apartment buildings, hostages taken at Chernobyl, well, okay, fight back is clearly self-defense. And so he’s pretty admirable.
And I also wonder if Putin has a little bit of antisemitism going on there going after Zelensky calling him a drug addict and a Nazi. Of course there are Jews that are Nazis, right?
MAX
Oh yeah.
Dr. SUZY
What was that guy, that Miller? Stephen Miller?
MAX
Stephen Miller, what a piece of work.
Dr. SUZY
Right, right, right, he was a Nazi-ish guy.
MAX
This guy is.
Dr. SUZY
But come on, he’s Jewish, so I don’t know how Nazi he can be. I don’t know if Miller personally would be allowed into the Nazi club. But he was Nazi-ish in his practices and policies. But Zelensky is not that way.
Honestly, I’m pretty ignorant about the Ukraine, just learning like we all are, although we will be enlightened a little bit more in a little while with a special guest. Luzer Twersky is coming to visit.
MAX
They just finished filming over there. I mean not yesterday, but just last few weeks ago somewhere anyway, Luzer will be here in in a few minutes.
Dr. SUZY
One of our therapists, Hamilton Steele, who we don’t agree with about everything, but he is a great guy and fabulous pornstar and he is one of our therapists with the Institute.
So he sent us a photo of two people making love in the doggie style position, and he said now this is the way a Russian should invade a Ukrainian, implying of course that the guy was Russian and the woman was Ukrainian, and that it’s better to make love than war.
And now we have a Ukrainian clearing his cranium. That would be Luzer and we could put him on a microphone.
MAX
Where is he, hey Luzer, come out, come on over the Luzer there’s beer down there right behind you.
Dr. SUZY
We were just introducing you, Luzer.
MAX
Not my, not my…
LUZER TWERSKY
Is this a certain way?
MAX
Yeah, just that it’s pretty high-class operation.
LUZER TWERSKY
All right, am I, am I live? Yeah cool.
Dr. SUZY
We’re all live, yes.
MAX
Yeah, I get it.
Dr. SUZY
Well Max just shot his foam as the show was starting. You should have been here.
MAX
Yeah, that wasn’t my foam. That was my thing.
Dr. SUZY
Foam.
MAX
Yeah, I shot my foam, yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
In an ashtray, you know what?
MAX
Second, for the weed.
Dr. SUZY
OK, so now I don’t hear him. He should put a headset on.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, I’m gonna put a headset on there.
MAX
Yeah, OK, that’s been.
LUZER TWERSKY
Can you hear me, is it better?
Dr. SUZY
Welcome back to Bonoboville, Luzer Twersky, award-winning actor and adventure traveler documentarian and Baal Shem Tov player.
LUZER TWERSKY
Baal Shem Tov, yeah, that’s a new one. That’s fresh, right?
Dr. SUZY
You are playing the Baal Shem Tov.
LUZER TWERSKY
I do play the Baal Shem Tov in a Ukrainian film
Dr. SUZY
Right.
LUZER TWERSKY
I know I happen to have a very personal interest in Putin being crushed in the next couple of days because you know, if he can get the fuck out of there and get Ukraine back to where it was when I was there last year, then we can have our premiere.
Dr. SUZY
You know that’s another good reason to get him out of there.
MAX
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
See, there’s always reasons for things.
LUZER TWERSKY
I have a very personal interest in this. Like I put work in, I flew there. I spent like almost two months there. I only spent two weeks shooting and the other six weeks, I was just there because I loved that place so much because after this and the last time I was there before that was probably around 2008 or 2009.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, you were there in 2008 and why were you there?
LUZER TWERSKY
Then as I went to Oman, which is the, which is the gravesite of a very famous Hasidic Rabbi. We were going for the Jewish New Year. Some people go there for the Jewish New Year for Rosh Hashanah.
Dr. SUZY
Oh well, it is the birthplace of the Baal Shem Tov, and it’s where my great grandfather is from, and where so many Jews are from.
LUZER TWERSKY
This is where my family is from too! Big pilgrimage. Yes, the Carpathian Mountains.
Dr. SUZY
And of course, now they have the Jewish President, so of course.
LUZER TWERSKY
And they do have a Jewish president. And have a comedian.
Dr. SUZY
Putin is going in there after the drug addicts and the Nazi Jews.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, so what was interesting to me is the first time I was there was like a 1998 or ’99, and it was like at the time it was like a brand new country and it was really backwards. It was like going back to the shtetl anyway. I mean, the big cities were barely cities. I mean, Kiev was a dump. And then I went back in like 10 years later and I was like OK then you know they got buses now they have like Mercedes. They got some stuff, you know.
Dr. SUZY
Like they had horses and buggies before?
LUZER TWERSKY
Was a lot of that, but also like just a lot of like just very very very old Soviet cars which you still see to this day.
Dr. SUZY
Max likes old cars.
MAX
I don’t like Russian old cars.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, but you know when I came back, one of the things I wanted to do was, I was planning to make enough money so I can find myself a mint condition Lada and import it to the United States because I love those cars so much there I see them in Cuba as well and they’re indestructible.
MAX
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
But anyway, I don’t want to talk about fun. So the next time I was there was like 2008 or 2009 and then again in 2021, right? And I go back in 2021 and it’s a completely different country. It’s full of a young, vibrant, creative population. Uh, they got a tech sector. They got big malls. They got five-star restaurants.
Like I stayed at this hotel, the Brewster Hotel in Kiev, in a very chill neighborhood called Podil which is right on the front line right in the neighborhood where there’s a lot of heavy fighting now in the city of Kiev right next door to where I was staying, in this really hip hotel with a rooftop bar. I would go up there every night and order fancy cocktails. It’s a vibrant young city. It’s like being in Williamsburg.
OK people think of Ukraine as like this backwards post-Soviet, you know wasteland with Chernobyl in it.
Dr. SUZY
Well, Chernobyl is there, yes?
LUZER TWERSKY
But look.
Dr. SUZY
And it was backward for a long time.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes, but you go to the cities and like it’s not like that people have a…
Dr. SUZY
And by the way, I’m not so against backward. I think lots of forms of progress are not so great.
LUZER TWERSKY
And I’m just saying that. Like I’m saying, the image of people of it now, and I’m trying to get to a point here, so, it’s a vibrant, wonderful city where, like the day before I have all these friends over there and I go on Instagram and like, just friends having a drink and it’s, I mean they’re all going out there having coffee and like everything is completely normal and then BOOM- like a bomb, it’s gone. Not all of that is gone but the restaurant, the jobs, the city, that movement, everything, it’s gone. It’s just even if it’s not bombed, it’s just stopped.
Dr. SUZY
But it is bombed. There is bombing, and it is bad. I mean, everything stopped for all of us around the world when the pandemic started, so we get that. But this is worse.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right? It is very, very different, yeah?
Dr. SUZY
This is much worse. This is bombs falling. This isn’t just viruses attacking you, this is your neighbors.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’m not diminishing. I’m not diminishing that, but I’m also saying, like it’s very hard to imagine. I mean now with the pandemic a little bit easier to imagine it, but this is on a whole different scale and I’m talking to friends who are now trying to escape to Poland and like one of my very close friends who was my assistant on this film who I was you know, I really had a very close relationship with her ’cause she was with me this whole time during filming and between filming she was always there, and she’s trying to go to Poland, but she can’t. She doesn’t want to leave without her boyfriend, but her boyfriend can’t leave because he’s between the age of 18 and 60 and he asked to stay all men that age to stay and serve.
Dr. SUZY
Talk about a draft.
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s crazy, it’s fucking crazy, but the point I was trying to get with that whole history of my travels to Ukraine is Putin is now facing a problem. Putin’s view of Ukraine is what a lot of people’s view of Ukraine is. He really doesn’t understand what the country has become.
Dr. SUZY
Oh yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
Actually, he didn’t realize what he was going to face. I think he’s prepared to drag this out for another week, and I do think that like there’s a, you know, like let’s not, let’s not get too excited. You know, this could get progressively worse.
Dr. SUZY
It could go in either direction.
LUZER TWERSKY
They could go in either direction. Things are very fluid, but the resistance that he’s facing is strong. It is something he did not expect. He’s also like you know, Ukraine is being helped with a lot. I don’t want to get too much into the warfare. We’re part of it because we are not that kind of show.
Dr. SUZY
And there is so much disinformation. There’s so much of the videos that showed the MIG downing Russians really was from a video game.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, ghost of Kiev.
Dr. SUZY
I heard that a Russian platoon had surrendered. I don’t know if that’s true. But that sounded good. I heard another really good rumor that one way the Ukrainian military is tracking the Russian military is through Grindr. So, Putin says there’s no gays in Russia, well, that’s ’cause they’re all in the army.
LUZER TWERSKY
That’s funny.
Dr. SUZY
And even if the Grindr story isn’t true, I guess everybody is doing disinformation and it’s a good piece for Putin. It could undermine the people’s mentality who are running this war.
LUZER TWERSKY
But I think that the Ukraine has some advantages here. Ukraine is in a very, very precarious situation here. There’s no, you know, there’s no underplaying it really, I mean Russia has shown itself to be quite more inept than we all thought.
Dr. SUZY
Russia has been inept for a while.
MAX
True, yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
They’ve shown us to be quite a paper tiger. I mean everyone is saying like, well, they haven’t quite unleashed their cyber or the cyber warfare. They have. It’s not working.
Dr. SUZY
I’m happy about that.
LUZER TWERSKY
Oh good yeah. So, like the thing you should know about Ukraine is that he didn’t know and I think a lot of people don’t understand is why it’s not working. Is it? Ukrainians, like every time when we are talking about Ukraine, Ukraine is at war, but when I was there, they were already at war.
MAX
Right, right?
LUZER TWERSKY
Like the war was ongoing, they’ve been at war for eight years, so the young generation and a lot of people have been hammered into their heads of something called cyber hygiene.
MAX
Is right.
LUZER TWERSKY
Two factor authentication location services off. Careful who you trust. Careful which groups you’re in.
Dr. SUZY
There’s so many groups in Ukraine.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right now there’s like these Telegram groups over there. It’s Telegram. It’s all happening. So I’m very plugged into Telegram this whole time all day. This is where I get all my like, all my information. Twitter and Telegram is mostly where I get my information and I’m pretty plugged into some of the crew members who are on our film who are now serving the military who are feeding me stuff and telling me what’s going on and other sources.
Dr. SUZY
What can you tell us that they’re telling you?
LUZER TWERSKY
What? From like what’s happening on the ground?
Dr. SUZY
Anything. How do they feel? What’s happening on the ground? Have they seen Russians in person?
LUZER TWERSKY
Oh yeah, they’ve seen. Actually, we probably just got a Telegram. Yep, I just got a Telegram.
Dr. SUZY
Well, I don’t know if it’s classified.
MAX
A telegram.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, it’s not classified.
Dr. SUZY
OK, then read it.
MAX
I didn’t see anybody bring in the telegram, did you?
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s actually Finland, just closed its airspace to Russia.
Dr. SUZY
Ah yeah, I was just thinking about your other friends, The Luzers, in Norway, and that’s close to Finland.
LUZER TWERSKY
That’s a big deal.
Dr. SUZY
And Russia is threatening Finland. And of course, they are very inept at everything it seems. Sorry I love you guys, you Russians. But at the same time, you have to admit the Russians haven’t been too successful with much, except they really defeated the Nazis.
LUZER TWERSKY
OK, so I’ll give you that.
Dr. SUZY
That’s a big deal.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’ll give you a good example of how inept they are as you, as you all know, I love airplanes. I love watching airplanes, right? You all know that.
They had two transport planes. Two large military transport planes flying from Russia over Belarus into Ukraine on open fucking radar. Their transponders were on the entire world. These fractional parking and military movements, I mean the ineptitude, just the amateurishness of it.
MAX
They like to say they’re coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
I mean, they’re flying in transport. They’re flying in paratroopers into Ukrainian airspace when they don’t have air superior. Not yet. They don’t have air dominance yet, and they’re flying in paratroopers and the Ukrainians are just shooting them out of the sky. Ukrainian yeah, they just shot an entire plane full of paratroopers out of the sky because of the troop carrier.
Dr. SUZY
Well, so that’s real. So there is a real fight going.
LUZER TWERSKY
There’s a real fight going on. There’s a lot of fights. The problem is there’s a lot of fights going on and a lot of people are focusing on Kiev. If people are forgetting what’s happening in Harkeev, people are forgetting what’s happening in the South like there’s a very important thing happening in the South. Russia is trying to create a land bridge, but Russia and Crimea, oK, so.
Dr. SUZY
Right.
LUZER TWERSKY
Sometimes they’re skipping over cities and sticking through the suburbs just to create a line that goes straight from Russia to Crimea and capture that entire waterfront.
Dr. SUZY
It makes sense they want a shortcut, but it’s kind of crazy in terms of, you know, invading a country.
LUZER TWERSKY
You know, so like, so in a lot of ways, right, in a lot of ways, they’re distracting you with here. Right, they’re distracting you with Kiev, so people focus on Kiev. And they’re not looking at what they are really doing, and you know what’s going to, what’s likely to happen.
Dr. SUZY
Right, maybe that’s what Putin is really after.
LUZER TWERSKY
It seems to me like because of the resistance and because of how you know the sanction, he’s going to stop this in a couple of days.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, good.
LUZER TWERSKY
And then he’s going to say and then he’s going to freeze it, so he might have as long as he has to achieve some of his strategic goals. The rest of it. He’s the kind of guy where, like the rest of it, is just the rest of it is just fucking collateral damage. You know I was like, well, OK, well we got this. So what 5000 Russian troops died? Who gives a fart?
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, exactly. So, he’s mainly after some kind of land grab.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes, he’s trying to rebuild. He needs to rebuild. Here’s another very important thing that people don’t know, right? One of the most important conditions to join NATO, yeah, is that the country who wants to join cannot have any active territorial disputes with another country. If you have any active territorial disputes with another country, you cannot join NATO. So, as long as Russia can keep UK main in territorial disputes, Ukraine cannot join NATO.
Dr. SUZY
Well, I’ve been finding out more about NATO because I guess I was under this delusion that NATO was kind of like this cool thing like UNICEF or the UN.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, NATO’s into some not nice things, right?
Dr. SUZY
NATO is a military Force that was sorta against the Nazis in the beginning, but very quickly went to being against the Soviet Union, and at first they wouldn’t let West Germany join or any of Germany. But then as soon as the Soviet Union says, well, “Why don’t we join? Hey, we want to fight Nazis too!” Then no, no, it’s not about fighting Nazis. It’s about fighting you. And so you can’t join. But yes, West Germany can join NATO. Everybody that wasn’t the USSR could join NATO, so…the USSR creates the Warsaw Pact, and then we have the Cold War. OK, that’s pretty much like a duopoly of power in the world. And then of course the Soviet Union collapses because, well, they don’t know how to make anything.
LUZER TWERSKY
But it’s very important, I think. I think that what sometimes goes missing from these conversations is that the people are like, well, why did we need NATO? Why? Why NATO? Why is NATO existing after 1991, right? Why do we still have it?
Dr. SUZY
That’s my question.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, there’s a lot of people that have that question right and that really is because of the posture of Russia at the time right? Correct? So after Yeltsin right, during the time of Yeltsin they were there. There were talks about Russia joining NATO, you know?
Dr. SUZY
Exactly, Yeltsin was our drinking buddy.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right, and Putin was watching that and he was like oh shit, oh no right OK?
Dr. SUZY
Putin was his Lieutenant and then took over.
LUZER TWERSKY
So right, so NATO during the 80s, like late during the 90s, I would say NATO during the 90s was a nothing burger. Right, it was about to be dissolved.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, I don’t know why it was there
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, it was becoming obsolete, right and-
Dr. SUZY
Except the military industrial complexes of the world, but especially the United States needed something.
LUZER TWERSKY
Probably played a part, but then came 9/11 and that gave them something else to do.
Dr. SUZY
No, even before 9/11 they all ganged up on Saddam. In 1991 was invasion of Iraq when he went into Kuwait and then there was Yugoslavia. They all kind of ganged up on the Serbs, who were connected to the Russians.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, yeah. Right, right and all of that, see all of that showed Russia that it’s a good idea to be part of NATO. It’s going to need to be part of the free world. You’ve got this incredible protection. You get these incredible economic gains from it. So there was, there were good reasons for, you know, like for us to be friends with Russia. There was no reason we should. We should have been enemies with Russia if it wasn’t for Vladimir Putin, who came back and said like you know what this whole fucking thing is an embarrassment to the Russian Empire. That’s the issue with this. Is about pride.
Dr. SUZY
You know what I hate most about Putin? The thing that he rejects most about Russia is their attempt at socialism.
LUZER TWERSKY
Speaking about pride, yeah. I mean it failed, but it was an ideal. It was a beautiful ideal. Hey, it’s my ideal and he completely rejects that more than anybody, and he embraces the worst bullying parts of Russian history. The Tsar. He wants to be the Tsar. I guess he is the Tsar. Yeah, it’s selective history.
You know in that way, but you know it.
Dr. SUZY
But, a bully doesn’t come out of nowhere. And we’re part of this playground and we gotta learn to deal with this bully. Unless somebody takes him out in his inner circle.
LUZER TWERSKY
On the other hand, a lot of people I really care about are extremely scared. And extremely vulnerable and yeah, a lot of them have escaped to Lviv, some of them have made it to Poland. One of them is trying to make it to Slovakia.
Dr. SUZY
Anybody go to Moldova?
LUZER TWERSKY
No one I know is not alone.
Dr. SUZY
I just found out that one of my grandparents is from there and I had never even heard of that place. I always thought that this grandparent was from the Ukraine, because it’s so close and Moldova is so small. A nine story residential building in Buka was hit by a Russian strike. Casualties are unknown. Heavy fighting is ongoing in Buka, a city in Kiev Oblast about 30 kilometers from Kiev. So these are like underground reports by the minute.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, that’s so sad.
LUZER TWERSKY
And yeah, like…
Dr. SUZY
…and so frustrating.
LUZER TWERSKY
And The thing is that it’s, it’s very difficult to explain to people what it feels like, and I think that’s why I always I always argue like Americans, the only the only people who think America is the greatest country on Earth haven’t been anywhere else.
LUZER TWERSKY
Because Americans, they don’t really, they don’t travel enough and they don’t go around these places and they don’t get familiar with these places.
Dr. SUZY
We love the South of France and Afghanistan. America is so plastic. Let’s just leave it at that.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, no, no, but you guys, you guys are well traveled and that makes a big difference and it makes a big difference to me because like people are talking about these areas and like these oh blasts and this and that it has like these faraway places like Falluja and you know, and Baghdad. And they have no personal relation with me, to me. Like, I look at these pictures, like wait a second I, but, I was just there. You know, I was chasing skirt around there, you know?
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, how is this skirt?
LUZER TWERSKY
I mean the skirt… You kidding me?
Dr. SUZY
Well, no, I’m asking.
LUZER TWERSKY
It was a fucking buffet.
Dr. SUZY
Really, in Kir? Is that village?
LUZER TWERSKY
Anywhere, anywhere. Especially if you are willing to pay for it.
Dr. SUZY
Oh hey nothing wrong with sex workers. So is sex work legal in Ukraine?
LUZER TWERSKY
No, but it’s tolerated. Yeah at this time.
Dr. SUZY
Is it legal in Russia?
LUZER TWERSKY
I don’t know, depends how rich you are, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Probably everything does, but in Ukraine, tourists on a budget can find it too.
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s tolerated, it’s easy, it’s not.
MAX
Putin says they have the best hookers.
Dr. SUZY
That’s right, I guess it’s tolerated all over the place there. We have to deal with America’s puritanism.
MAX
Yeah, of course, yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, and you know it’s…
Dr. SUZY
By the way, American Congresspeople: Please don’t support the Earn It Act.
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s, it’s tolerated and criminalized everywhere. Men are in charge. You know, I guess when women are in charge, it’s going to be not just tolerant. It’s going to be decriminalized and it’s gonna be better, but…
Dr. SUZY
Not always, you have to take a look at Iceland where women are in charge and have made most forms of sex work extremely illegal.
MAX
Wow, that’s too bad.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, but yeah, but like my point, I’m trying to make is, we’re not talking about it. To me, we’re not talking about a faraway place, and that’s also what I was talking about.
Dr. SUZY
I just want to add something regarding Iceland. In my State of the Sexual Union address, which you can now listen to, I talk about toxic femininity, which is when you take away work from other women like that. The opportunity to engage in consensual sex labor shouldn’t be taken away from us like that. Ladies, that’s toxic femininity. We also talk about toxic masculinity, which is worse, I guess, because it involves more killing. Putin is a great example actually of toxic masculinity.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he sure is. But the point I was trying to make is that these are not faraway places to me.
These are places that are personal to me, that I’ve spent a lot of time in. I spend good times in, you know I’ve had great sex in those in those hotels.
Dr. SUZY
How are the Ukrainian women? I guess you’re having sex with women, so, I know this is generalizing, maybe stereotyping – but how do you feel Ukrainian women compare with other women, say American?
LUZER TWERSKY
So in general, I think it’s a fair generalization to say that the majority of Ukrainian women are quite conservative in their in their mating rituals.
Dr. SUZY
And were you mostly seeing Christian Jewish other?
LUZER TWERSKY
You know, I don’t discriminate on any of those fronts? I only discriminate on the basis of vagina or no vagina.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, but I’m asking because you said they’re so conservative.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, but I’m saying like but the younger generation you do see, especially in the cities, in the progressive you know community. You see more a little more promiscuity? But not to a great extent. It’s still fairly conservative. Uhm, but you know, yeah you can. You know I’ve had, I’ve had, I’ve had all kinds of relationships over there.
Dr. SUZY
Interesting, well, the whole world has gotten more conservative.
MAX
Yeah, that’s true.
LUZER TWERSKY
Ukraine, Ukraine. Politics is very, very interesting in general. So, like in America, for example, you meet someone and you can very, you can pretty quickly tell which side of the aisle they’re on and where they stand on. Certain issues, like if you run into someone and they, they’re driving a truck in LA, you’re going to make certain assumptions about them right? And depending on what they wear and how they talk like it’s just like if they believe if they’re anti-abortion, they’re probably Republican and they probably have other things about it.
In Ukraine, Ukraine is not evenly divided along party lines, so you can meet people who are anti Zelensky and pro-choice and anti-gay at the same time. So like it’s not, it’s not very clearly divided and so…
Dr. SUZY
I think you can find that in America too.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, but over there it’s very, very, very pronounced. It’s very pronounced. You can meet someone who like, who like docked them for like a couple of days and you’re like, Oh my God, we, we agree on so much. They probably agree with me on a bunch of other things, and then you say something and they’re like, well, I don’t really think so. Like really, I would thought you would think so. Like no, I don’t think so. And he doesn’t and they don’t understand why you thought they would think, so it’s bad.
Dr. SUZY
Honestly, I’m finding that more and more among everybody. People that I used to think agreed with me about everything, well, now they don’t. Partly that’s ‘cause almost everybody in our circles kind of agreed that Trump was nuts for a while or certain people did. But now that he’s out, it’s like there’s a real variety of opinion on everything.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, but I I think I was projecting. I was projecting American division on other on other people, right? It’s like we’ve gotten so used to being so divided on everything and so like, so like, in our own uh, clicks or tribes that we don’t even realize how isolated we are, and then we when we see some when we see people with like who have diversity of opinions on, on, on many issues, it’s almost jarring. And so I think it was kind of like, maybe like, it’s not, maybe it’s not that weird, it’s just that we’ve gotten so used to it.
Dr. SUZY
We’re seeing listener comments from people writing about Ukrainian history. In the 9th century, the Grand Prince Vladimir ruled Kiev and Russe as Russia was called then. In Russian, his name is Vladimir. In Ukrainian it is Volodymyr. As fate would have it, these are the names of the current presidents of Russia and Ukraine. OK, well that’s an interesting factoid.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, I’m not very deeply familiar with the history of Ukraine. I learned , I mean, I’m obviously familiar with the history of my family Ukraine. My family goes back in Ukraine. To the you know 18th century.
Dr. SUZY
Right, and when was the Baal Shem Tov?
LUZER TWERSKY
Baal Shem Tov was 18th century.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, so your family goes back to him, maybe related to him.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, what I mean I am his grandson.
Dr. SUZY
You are definitely the Baal Shem Tov’s grandson?
LUZER TWERSKY
Oh yeah, yeah, I am like I am actually descended from the Baal Shem Tov in five different ways.
Dr. SUZY
Oh OK.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’m actually 10th generation of direct descendants.
Dr. SUZY
I am impressed. 10th generation.
LUZER TWERSKY
Hence direct descendant, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
OK, so much more than Grandfather.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, yeah, of course.
Dr. SUZY
So you’re great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandson to the Baal Shem Tov, and he was in case you don’t know, a mystic, a Jewish Mystic who founded, so to say, Hasidism.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, the Hasidic movement.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, yeah, Hasidic movement, and he was very into nature and he went from Ukraine to Poland.
LUZER TWERSKY
And I played him in the movie.
Dr. SUZY
And how was that?
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, it was an incredible experience, and that’s one of the reasons why I’m so attached to this issue of Ukraine, because like I had such an amazing experience filming there and working with the Ukrainian crew and the director and the cast and everyone, and I, I became so attached to that place. And of course there’s a lot of history for my family. Like very close when I was in Ternopil, I actually went there is like an hour away. There is the graveside of my one of my grandparents like and a couple generations back in a small town called Quanimashlam. So, like, there’s a lot of my family history in that place and I really had a great time there. LUZER TWERSKY
And it’s, it’s, it was interesting for me to come back.
LUZER TWERSKY
There as a as a secular person ’cause.
Dr. SUZY
Now, did the film crew know about you and your background when they cast you?
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
So were you cast partly because of who you are? Did that play a role?
LUZER TWERSKY
I, I think it probably played a role. Yeah I did.
Dr. SUZY
You auditioned though. Like any actor. You’re an award-winning actor, you act in many different things, but this particular thing is about your life. Yeah, yes, Yep yeah.
Dr. SUZY
It’s about your my ancestor
LUZER TWERSKY
My ancestor yeah, yes, yes, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Your ancestor, who is part of your life because he’s part of all Hasidic Jews’ life and certainly your family’s life.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes, yeah, I have his DNA in me.
Dr. SUZY
And you kind of separated from your family because they are so religious and that’s why you won the SUZY Award for “Funniest Fundamentalist Refugee”
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes so. I’m not saying anything funny tonight.
Dr. SUZY
No, no. But that was funny. It’s hard to be funny about terror without sounding obnoxious. There is gallows humor, though.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, but I I’ll tell you like I, I was talking to the director, director of this film that I just did. The film is called “Dovbush” and whoever is into the Ukrainian history would know about Dovbush because Dovbush is a big part of Ukrainian history. Oh shit, what was I going to say?
Dr. SUZY
Well, you were going to say that gallows humor maybe doesn’t have its place in a situation like this, especially if you’re in the middle of it, which I would say too actually.
LUZER TWERSKY
Oh so I was. So I was talking to the director’s daughter about this today because she is really terrified and like, they’re, they’re, they’re they’re very, they’re big. They’re very patriotic, very patriotic family, and the film is a very patriotic film. They’re very like Ukrainian nationalist. People and and yeah, she was in no mood for my humor and she is someone who like has a very, very dark sense of humor and she is she was not in the mood for jokes.
Dr. SUZY
No right.
LUZER TWERSKY
People like all my friends who know me for my gallows humor, and they’re known for their very dark humor. They are not laughing. This is not funny to anyone in that country. It’s extremely serious. I mean like Putin is a vicious uh, sadistic killer. Like, like you do not want to be on the receiving end of it even if you like so far you’re winning.
Dr. SUZY
Right, and they are. They’re certainly winning in the Court of public opinion and they’re holding on to their territory.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
And you know some of these Russian soldiers. I think they are saying that they didn’t know this was their assignment and there might be some defections. Who knows?
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, there is a lot of death.
Dr. SUZY
There’s certainly a lot of deaths and when the body bags come home, that’s often a problem.
LUZER TWERSKY
They’re not. They’re not picking them up.
MAX
He’s also, he’s also a a serial killer. Besides sending his armies to the disaster, he’s also had individually had a few people knocked off.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, yes, this is the guy that our man Trumpenstein calls a “genius”
MAX
From what I understand.
Dr. SUZY
He’s a bully! And see, Trump is also a bully, and that’s why he calls him a “genius” because he feels that Putin’s Rape of Ukraine is a bully move.
Dr. SUZY
Even though usually bullies are the opposite of geniuses. That’s why they’re bullies. Because they don’t get their way through diplomacy and being thoughtful. So they try to get their way through brute force. It’s the opposite of the Bonobo Way.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, but it’s not you know, like I was saying it’s it’s not funny. It’s not funny to people ’cause like even if you’re winning so far like you do not want to be on the receiving end of this insane, insane maniacs ambitions like you know he’s like he’s, he’s, he’s using these the kind of weapons that are that that you can’t control where they land, but they carry the kind of stuff like that Hamas uses, right?
Dr. SUZY
Right?
LUZER TWERSKY
Like Hezbollah, uses rockets which you can’t control you.
Dr. SUZY
We can’t control our drones either.
LUZER TWERSKY
Shoot it and like. We can we just control, we control them badly. That’s the problem.
MAX
That’s right.
Dr. SUZY
Always hitting the wrong targets.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, it’s very different than not being able to control it.
Dr. SUZY
Well, just since we’re on the subject of us, I will say that Jux Lii, our friend who’s in one of our pictures with Abby Martin and you, says that “NATO sounds like a military insurance company.” Sorry if that’s kind of funny, but it’s also kind of true.
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s very, very true and you know this this. This is where it gets this is where it gets interesting. So Trump was actually right about something in terms of NATO. Right, but Trump’s argument was like NATO is an insurance company and that’s our insurance company and people aren’t paying the premiums. That was his argument.
Dr. SUZY
A military insurance company.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right and, and, he wouldn’t because he was trying to get to be friends with Russia. He wanted to get rid of NATO. He was in bed with Russia, and Russia’s interest was anti NATO and he was anti NATO because whatever but it was right about the idea that like it’s, it was kind of like framing like he didn’t frame it like that because he doesn’t speak as intelligently as me but, that’s really what it is. It’s an insurance policy where where the where, the where the you know, the insurance. The policyholders weren’t paying their premiums.
Dr. SUZY
Well right they weren’t. And the US pro-military establishment didn’t seem to care. A lot of the US establishment said it was treasonous of Trump to say that. Because they saw NATO like a gang with the US as the leader of the gang. And these smaller countries are the other people in the gang. And you can’t expect them to all pay up.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, and Jux is right.
Dr. SUZY
They’re paying with their might and their loyalty and we have an enemy. And I’m certainly with all of you and with your friends in Ukraine that Putin is just a horrible bully and must be stopped. But I think we get into trouble if we don’t see how we helped the bully along.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah
Dr. SUZY
Because we have to stop him. Somebody has to stop him. Best the Russians themselves.
LUZER TWERSKY
That’s I mean, that’s, that’s, this is where it gets complicated when it comes to intervention, right? And I think that that there’s legitimate arguments to be made against NATO. There’s legitimate arguments to be made against American interventions in history and whatever in recent history, even. But the reality that we are sitting here in a free country, speaking our minds fairly freely. Besides the oversight of Arcadia and … And yeah.
Dr. SUZY
We call the Arcadia City Council the Politburo because we compare them to these Russian organizations.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right?
Dr. SUZY
’cause of course the Russians are much more censorious.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right, but we live, but we’ve been living in this country, in, in, in, in, relatively relative peace for a very long time. And we and and we fail to appreciate the apparatus that we criticize that is at least contributing to the ability for us to have been living last hundred almost 100 years. The way we have us in Europe. In relative peace, we fail to appreciate that privilege and we fail to appreciate the apparatus that is, yes, the military industrial complex which does which does horrible things too. But also has kept a peace in the world to a certain extent, for quite for longest time in history.
Dr. SUZY
I could argue with you about that, but I’ll let you continue, though I am certainly not impressed with the peacekeeping of the military.
MAX
Yep.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, I’m saying that we are enjoying. I’m not saying everyone else in the world is enjoying it. I’m not making that argument.
Dr. SUZY
Well, we’re all one world. And doesn’t Putin and what’s happening now make us realize that? We are all against what he’s doing. Everyone except maybe a few people in Russia. But Putin has… guess what?
LUZER TWERSKY
Nuclear weapons, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Exactly,. Now, that is something that makes us remember we are all one.
LUZER TWERSKY
Exactly, but I was.
Dr. SUZY
We are all connected. He is our brother. We have to deal with him.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right, so here are the things. So here’s the thing. So here the point I’m trying to make. The point I’m trying to make here is this is that, that we don’t want to live in a world full of Putin’s? We don’t want that. We don’t want to live in a world of XI Jinping’s and Putin’s and Kim Jong.
Dr. SUZY
Oh God no.
LUZER TWERSKY
And maduros and cast, and whatever in Trump’s.
Dr. SUZY
Maduro’s not so bad. But Trump no.
LUZER TWERSKY
We don’t want that right? And the reality is, we live in relative wealth in this country, and a lot of the countries that we ally with also live in relative wealth. And if other countries want to share that wealth. The reason we can share this wealth is because we have this peace and trade going on between it. That’s why we have that. That is our strength, right? And if Russia doesn’t want to play that game, then they cannot be a part of that civilization. Right, so I think that’s very important because we want to live in a world that is not controlled by people like that. And if he wants to live in a world that’s controlled like that, then he can do it on his fucking own, not in our banks. Not in our economy, not with our military equipment. Nothing with us. He can do it with North Korea. And that’s it. And they can kiss each others asses all day long and be impoverished nations.
Dr. SUZY
And China.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, China, we don’t know yet, right? China is trying to toe the line right?
Dr. SUZY
I wonder how many of these places will toe the line, because they get no goods from Russia. But, they do get gas. Gas baby.
LUZER TWERSKY
But this Europe doesn’t. Europe only needs Russian gas. Now they don’t really need it forever. That’s the.. I’ll tell you something. Watch the Russian markets on Monday morning.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, it’s already terrible for them.
LUZER TWERSKY
The ruble is going to be worthless Monday morning, their central Bank is sanctioned.
Dr. SUZY
It’s already worthless. I’m just wondering how long it’s going to last.
LUZER TWERSKY
They can’t. They can’t. The Central bank is sanctioned. They can’t back up their money, their money is only worth what they have right now. That is, all their money is worth.
MAX
Good and they just got kicked off of Swift.
LUZER TWERSKY
The old part, yeah, partially, partially so, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Oh good. OK.
MAX
Not all but.
Dr. SUZY
Well, I think it’s all good to fight him economically.
LUZER TWERSKY
Visa cards don’t work in Russia.
MAX
But then let me ask you something. This guy has a vision of being this ruler and now of the Russian empire. And now somehow it’s all gotten very rotten and bad, and he has troops which have been hearing this in various places in Chernobyl.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yep, in Georgia.
MAX
Yeah, no answer, no well yeah, with missiles pointed towards the buried nuclear.
Dr. SUZY
Chernobyl specifically, where the nuclear power plant is it’s all they have to do.
MAX
If they.
Dr. SUZY
They don’t even need their own nuclear weapons.
MAX
It couldn’t be an accident. You can be an accident that releases. The reality is that like he’s going, he’s going.
LUZER TWERSKY
He’s going to come like, Yep, this and like this. The thing about sanctions as they take a little bit longer than bombs, but it’s going to take these sanctions are so severe that in about 30 days the Russian economy is going to start collapsing.
MAX
You know, I get that I get that.
LUZER TWERSKY
Like on a massive scale, like on a massive scale.
Dr. SUZY
Right?
LUZER TWERSKY
OK, he doesn’t like he doesn’t have the ammo to sustain the war for that long. He doesn’t have the money to sustain. It costs $20 billion a day. This war? OK, he doesn’t have the money. He he’s not going to be able to do anything. Russian citizens, you know Russian citizens can’t use their their debit cards and their credit cards.
MAX
I know.
LUZER TWERSKY
Visa and MasterCard don’t work anymore.
MAX
Right, right?
LUZER TWERSKY
You know, like this is not going to be sustainable.
Dr. SUZY
Well, here’s the picture of us with Abby Martin and Max and you and Jux Lii.
LUZER TWERSKY
Got it.
Dr. SUZY
And there’s Mike Prysner, who bravely went to protest George W Bush, who, if you were an Afghan or an Iraqi, was just as crazy as Putin, which isn’t really crazy-crazy, except for in that sociopathic way that some of our leaders are.
LUZER TWERSKY
What happened to Abby Martin wait, wait?
Dr. SUZY
He protested Bush right in front of him.
LUZER TWERSKY
So Abby Martin works for Venezuela now.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, maybe. She doesn’t work for Russia anymore, that’s for sure.
MAX
Yeah, I think so.
Dr. SUZY
And she didn’t when she was on our show, but maybe she does have some Venezuelan backing. She certainly is doing a lot of speaking out and documentaries about Gaza, so there’s that.
MAX
Uh, somebody, as I said this is you’re always using for most yeah yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes, she’s cute. She’s still married to Mike?
Dr. SUZY
Yes, and Mike just did this great protest in front of Bush. He said you killed my friends. He served in the Iraq War and he spoke out very eloquently about Bush’s acts of senseless death and destruction of course, it makes a lot of “sense” to the Military Industrial Complex, but the invasion of Iraq was as insane as Putin’s invasion, except it wasn’t so close to us. We kept it at arm’s length. Still do. Well, there was there was one.
LUZER TWERSKY
There was one big difference and I think that I think it it I I’m not going to try. I’m going to try to justify the Iraq war here, but I do want to point out. One difference, yes. Vladimir Zolensky was democratically elected. Saddam Hussein was a vicious, brutal, murderous dictator.
Dr. SUZY
I’ll give you that, OK.
LUZER TWERSKY
OK.
Dr. SUZY
But still invasion, it’s always wrong. I called that the Rape of Iraq, and I call this the Rape of Ukraine. It’s not going to end Ukraine. Well, maybe in some ways. But it’s a rape, its a violation.
MAX
They’re in your house, they’re in your home.
Dr. SUZY
In your body.
MAX
And in your body, right.
Dr. SUZY
In your apartment building.
MAX
You’re physically, you’re physically.
Dr. SUZY
In your dead nuclear power plant.
MAX
If you don’t pay attention to them, you’re out for some serious beatings.
LUZER TWERSKY
Update, update from Ukraine. Ukraine Air defense shot down Cruise missile launched at Kiev. According to Commander in Chief, the missile was launched from Belarus. And according to the office, the Russian Russian minister arrived in Belarus, ready to talk to Ukraine. And this is the cynicism, here is just astonishing, thinking that that Ukraine is going to send someone to have peace talks with Russia in Belarus. Which is just, it’s just ridiculous. You know, wow. Yeah, but.
Dr. SUZY
OK.
LUZER TWERSKY
That’s the update, I’m just, I’m, I’m just update I’m just. Telling you what I did.
MAX
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is this is coming here.
Dr. SUZY
This is great. I mean, just to be in touch with these news bulletins from the ground. Because we all have Ukraine on the brain right now, we’re all going insane from Ukraine, and this is the Ukraine Love Train.
This is FDR, which stands for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who had his faults, as well all do, and we’re not saying that Ukraine is totally innocent of everything, but they no not deserve Putin’s invasion at all, and we’re on the Ukraine Love Train… and we are FDR and Franklin Delano Roosevelt was one of our best presidents and F.D.R. also stands for “Fuck Da Rich.” Speaking of which, I wonder if Putin is getting any right now. I don’t think so at all.
LUZER TWERSKY
I don’t think so. You know I have a, I have a suggestion. I think we should rename the show LBJ. Because I, I’ve realized lately I think LBJ got a bad rap because of it because of Vietnam.
Dr. SUZY
You think?
MAX
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
You like the way he picked up his dogs by their ears?
LUZER TWERSKY
No, I just the reality is that if you think of you know he had he lives in.
Dr. SUZY
LBJ did good for the Civil Rights Movement.
LUZER TWERSKY
He was the most successful president ever. He passed 89 bills. Now like he passed a ton like Medicare, Medicaid, huge progressive show, the Great Society, yeah, but like he was he was a weirdo crazy.
Dr. SUZY
You like how he would give interviews while he was on the toilet?
LUZER TWERSKY
Guy and he gets a bad rap for for Vietnam but yeah no it did.
Dr. SUZY
Well, Vietnam sucked. War sucks, you know, so you really should get a bad rap for waging war.
LUZER TWERSKY
No worse off.
Dr. SUZY
I’m sorry, but all his other good qualities don’t make up for that war.
LUZER TWERSKY
I know. He’s got two other good qualities about all the progressive bills that he passed. And the other thing, he’s got a name with BJ in it. L-BJ, you know? I mean that’s good.
Dr. SUZY
Hahaha
LUZER TWERSKY
He’s got a BJ in his name.
Dr. SUZY
Fun, funny, but he did that war. FDR was also there for a war, except he was a socialist and we are too.
LUZER TWERSKY
I mean lickety blowjob.
Dr. SUZY
They both got blowjobs and and FDR got his from a wheelchair.
LUZER TWERSKY
What about the liquid?
Dr. SUZY
So F.D.R. is also pro-disabled people.
LUZER TWERSKY
Putin is not getting pussy.
Dr. SUZY
No, that’s what he needs.
LUZER TWERSKY
That he needs to get laid?
Dr. SUZY
Somebody should do that. Somebody’s got to go in there and do the dirty for the world. They did this video. This actress was this silly video that must have made Gal Gadot very happy for not having the silliest video on the Internet anymore. And it’s all “If I were your mother, Vladimir, I would hug you. I would love you. I know you haven’t been loved.” And maybe she’s right, but it still was very silly and there’s a little bit of controversy about who his mother was and his whole background is very shady. This is definitely an abused hurt boy in Putin and some of us know about how hurt he was as a young man at the Fall of the Wall in Berlin.
LUZER TWERSKY
But I just, I mean, it’s just awful to think of of living in a world where a person like that has that kind of power. And I, I, I, I don’t, I, I, I don’t understand our and I don’t understand and I don’t understand how how anyone could think that’s a good idea.
Dr. SUZY
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of hurt people like that. And they tend to want power. This one just went off his rocker. It’s not like I’m saying it’s equivalent with George W Bush’s disastrous Rape of Iraq, but there are similarities. And there should be checks and balances in our world, but no, we NATO sort of pushed him I believe the military industrial complexes of the world want to sell a lot of weapons. They love it, they love war and they all pushed him, even Biden. We’re all one folks. He’s got some bombs and we don’t want those Russian nuclear submarines aiming them at Los Angeles.
MAX
Yeah, they’re right off here on the coast of LA.
LUZER TWERSKY
A yeah, I don’t , I don’t need that shit in my life.
Dr. SUZY
By the way, I want to give some credit to Obama.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right?
Dr. SUZY
You’re not going to like this, Luzer, but well, I don’t know how you feel.
MAX
’cause she said so.
Dr. SUZY
But right, right after the coup, which of course I don’t want to give him credit for ’cause it was kind of a nasty business that involved some Nazis and it gives Putin some leverage to say, there are “Nazis” in charge of Ukraine, but there are not Nazis in charge, not now. But there were Nazis that did the coup and the U.S. supported it. Victoria Nuland did. But Obama would not sell arms to Ukraine. He didn’t do that. And Trump for all of his cock-sucking of Putin. He sold arms to Ukraine and for all of his trying to get Zelensky to be a spy on Biden. He sold arms to Ukraine and Biden increased it. And what were we doing? Why bait a bulldog? Now we HAVE to GIVE arms to Ukraine.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, first of all, Trump sold weapons to.
LUZER TWERSKY
Anyone who would buy it.
Dr. SUZY
Right, he was just a sucker for selling things, and weapons are what we sell even to the Saudis who take people apart with bone saws.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah
Dr. SUZY
So Putin blew a gasket and it will probably blow up in his face. I kind of hope that it does, except I don’t want it to blow up in all of our faces or in other innocent faces.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, it’s going to. It’s going to.
MAX
What?
LUZER TWERSKY
It’s going to mildly blow up in all of our faces. Here is our problem too, yes?
MAX
Yes.
Dr. SUZY
We are one.
LUZER TWERSKY
World order is our problem OK?
MAX
World odor is our problem.
Dr. SUZY
That’s why I say “Be Bonobo.” We have to understand that we are together and we have to share.
LUZER TWERSKY
What Max.
MAX
Yeah, go ahead because I forgot.
Dr. SUZY
We all forgot.
MAX
I’m very stoned.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’m not really. I’m not really patriot, I’m paid I’m, I’m, I’m patriotic, I’m patriotic in my own way I’m not like one of those people who are like just the blindly patriotic. I think, I think what makes America great is the fact that the I always like to think about my people that Hasidic Jews. I like that America is a place. It goes, you know what you want to wear, 5 layers of clothing in 95 degree NYC humidity weather go right ahead. This is the kind of country where you are allowed to do that. If that is your religion. If your religion is asking you to sweat.
MAX
Yeah, right?
LUZER TWERSKY
Didn’t you sweat? Not my problem. It’s your sweat and I think that makes this country great. It is a free. Or the country?
Dr. SUZY
Well, many reactionaries want to take things away from us. The Patriot Act takes a lot away from us. They’re banning books in libraries and they’re banning a woman’s right to choose abortion.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’m not saying it’s perfect. I’m not saying it’s perfect.
Dr. SUZY
They’re banning kids’ rights to express about their transgender feelings.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right, but the people. But the people still have a certain control over who is in government
Dr. SUZY
Well, yes, much more control than Russians.
LUZER TWERSKY
Right, so like we live in a fairly free country with fairly clearly defined laws
Dr. SUZY
There you go. I’m glad you got those, you know qualifiers in there.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, I said uh, fairly frequently with it, with a fairly clear quote, with a fairly, fairly clear outline of laws and, and it’s, it’s, it’s, it’s, It’s not a ..It’s not a corrupt government, it is a government that is not designed to work for the working class. But it isn’t, it doesn’t, it doesn’t mean it’s completely corrupt. There’s never been corrupt and and stacked. You know, so we have a ways to go. We have things we have to fix but..
Dr. SUZY
Well, so far we don’t have a dictatorship where we don’t have like this election thing. But we could be on our way to it folks. So watch out for that. This is why I want to find out Putin’s reasons. I want to take responsibility, as we all should, for somehow fostering conditions for his terrible lethal blunder. As we all should, for his terrible lethal blunder. But there are people in this country, in America, that really like him for this.
MAX
Sure, sure sure the Right Wing.
Dr. SUZY
They think Putin is great and they are in charge of the Right Wing.
MAX
The Right Wing movement is everywhere to overthrow the the liberal and all of the progress and all of the things that a lot of us have gone to prison for, and have gotten beaten on the head for.
LUZER TWERSKY
Max, I have some bad news for you as a journalist. You’re not going to like this. Two Danish journalists have been shot.
MAX
Ah yeah, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Oh no.
LUZER TWERSKY
Steven Weichert and Emil Nicholson were injured by gunfire in Sumioblast town, but are now safe and receiving treatment in hospital.
Dr. SUZY
OK.
LUZER TWERSKY
I don’t know if you guys are interested but Sumioblast is on the border of in the North East of Ukraine on the border on the border of Russia and overnight and throughout the day, that city has been contested. There’s been heavy fighting going on in that city, and I know people like think about Kiev, Kiev, Kiev. If they capture, if they capture that whole Sumioblast, which is like a county. If they capture the whole county, they just got a whole another part of Ukraine in Russian. So that it, it’s there’s a lot of heavy fighting over there, and it seems like 2 journalists have. Unfortunately, we’ve been covering it. Which is one of the reasons we know that these things are happening. Have been injured, unfortunately.
Dr. SUZY
Journalists are often injured in war lately. Because war is everywhere and anywhere. You know, just, they don’t confine it. It’s not like they go to a battlefield and shoot each other. The battlefield is the whole country, and wherever the journalists are, wherever anybody is, they could be shot or bombed.
MAX
Can I just say, what if Putin Is the pilot of an airplane with 400 lives on it and decides to commit suicide as his final act?
Dr. SUZY
Almost like that’s what he’s doing.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, I don’t want to, I actually. Don’t want him to commit suicide, I think.
MAX
I’m just saying, what if he does and takes us with him?
LUZER TWERSKY
Oh
Dr. SUZY
Yes, well, that’s why we can’t put him in a corner really.
MAX
Right.
Dr. SUZY
We’ll have to treat him like a human being, a hurt human being. But the the support he’s getting in this country is not treating him like a hurt human being.
MAX
Yeah
Dr. SUZY
They’re treating him like he’s a hero.
LUZER TWERSKY
I think.
Dr. SUZY
Listen at CPAC right now, it’s going on. The Republicans are drinking their premium Russian vodka and they’re kind of going, “Hey he’s a genius. He’s smart.” It’s disgusting. Some are not sure whether they support him, but they’ve all gotten paid by Russia. A lot of them went there for vacations.
LUZER TWERSKY
You know? A lot of people, on the other hand, on the other side, believe that this is going to be the end of Putin and I think that’s a lot of I mean it, could it?
MAX
Could well be.
Dr. SUZY
That would be good.
LUZER TWERSKY
Be, I think it could well be, but on the other hand I I think people underestimate his brutality. Uh, I think people underestimate how far he’s willing to go to capture Ukraine. And I think that will show you how far he’s going to be willing to go to suppress protests in his own country at any kind of coup or rousting of him? He’s going to. He doesn’t care about the lives of people.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, that’s very worrisome, and that’s what I mean when I say that Putin rejects the best part of the Soviet Union, which was that it was founded for socialism, for the people. Even our leaders who are corrupt at least make a pretense at caring about people.
LUZER TWERSKY
His coldness. His soldiers are disposable, his soldier that is, supposedly they are running. They are. They are running the worst at the worst ground operation you’ve ever seen, just from a tactical perspective. Their supply lines are completely fucked OK, and there’s I think there’s a there’s a famous quote from like an American general who said either you control the supply lines or the supply lines control you.
Dr. SUZY
Well, Putin is sounding like the Tsar, and you know what they did with the Tsar.
LUZER TWERSKY
He’s, he’s, he’s doing an awful job, and so there’s, there’s a very good positive and people a lot of his soldiers are dying and they don’t know what they’re doing there. They have no idea what’s going on, and he doesn’t give a shit.
Dr. SUZY
And their families must have no idea what’s going on.
LUZER TWERSKY
I’ll tell you something else: There’s a hotline in Ukraine for Russian families to claim their loved ones’ bodies. Russia isn’t claiming them. They have thousands of Russian bodies piling up in Ukraine and nothing to do with them.
Dr. SUZY
I kind of don’t see this as Russia’s fault. I see it as Putin’s fault, along with the people around him.
LUZER TWERSKY
No, but I’m saying to the Russians so the Ukrainians set up a hotline for Russian families to find the bodies of their loved ones. This is how brutal this guy is. He doesn’t care about his soldiers. He doesn’t care about people.
Dr. SUZY
Wow, yeah. And these are cousins, these people.
LUZER TWERSKY
And about anything.
MAX
Is there any leader. Democratic or otherwise. Who cares for his soldiers?
Dr. SUZY
Well, that’s a good question. Some of them pretend.
LUZER TWERSKY
To, let’s be honest, next no one cares. No Max, the reality is no one cares about anyone.
MAX
Correct, right?
Dr. SUZY
How could you even care about soldiers when you’re sending them off to die?
LUZER TWERSKY
No, I’m saying no one cares about anyone.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, now that’s not true Luzer.
LUZER TWERSKY
But most.
Dr. SUZY
People do care about people.
LUZER TWERSKY
They don’t, but most are able to pretend.
Dr. SUZY
That’s not true.
LUZER TWERSKY
Most people, I think most people are good enough to at least pretend.
Dr. SUZY
People care about people that mean something to them.
LUZER TWERSKY
I know, but, but, but the rest of them, the rest of them are, are empathetic enough to pretend.
Dr. SUZY
Or actually, just like you said, you know when you told Max about the journalist he cares because he’s a journalist because we care when we feel that feeling empathy, of closeness. We’re trying to emphasize it against caring in a Bonobo Way as opposed to Capitalism which emphasizes competition.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah, right.
MAX
I care. I care because I’ve had handcuffs behind me because I was on cement floors all because I showed breasts and other body parts in my magazines that somehow are obscene and that brought physical violence, just like is going on over there.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yes.
MAX
Yeah, I feel it.
Dr. SUZY
The body is so delicate, when death happens to you, it might not be glamorous, but that’s all you got. You know might not be glamorous, but it’s all you got.
MAX
That’s it.
Dr. SUZY
And so we feel for those journalists and we feel for all those people in Ukraine. And we feel for the Russian soldiers who don’t know what they’re doing. I don’t think very many of them do.
LUZER TWERSKY
And I think the Ukrainian public is a is defending democracy, they’re defending the free world. They’re fighting for all of our freedoms I think, and I think it’s a, uh, I am personally very inspired by regular people who I worked on a set with who are like grips and electricians and prop designers and prop masters and truck drivers and all of them are like, “Fuck no, I’m not living under Putin.” You know I’m not even living under a puppet regime of Putin. There’s absolutely no chance I’m living under that. I will do everything I can.
Dr. SUZY
Right, that would be like him taking over Los Angeles. Be like him taking over Los Angeles. \
LUZER TWERSKY
Right?
Dr. SUZY
Almost not quite, but.
LUZER TWERSKY
Yeah no. It’s almost like that people have been living in a certain with a certain amount of.
Dr. SUZY
Maybe Oklahoma City.
LUZER TWERSKY
People have been living with a certain amount of freedom, sure, and metropolitan life that they’re not just fucking willing to give up, you know and, and, and you know the the old school Ukrainian and I guess maybe Russia. Roots of them are coming out. Their anger is coming out. People are very angry. Some people in my group are referring to Russian soldiers as “pigs.” I get photos of of dead Russian bodies all day long.
Dr. SUZY
Well, that’s what war does to you. They’re rapists. It’s the Rape of Ukraine.
LUZER TWERSKY
And because because you gotta understand. Like if someone comes into your neighborhood and starts shooting rockets, see how fast that fucking changes you. You change it. Yes, you change as a person.
Dr. SUZY
Of course.
LUZER TWERSKY
Like if someone comes into your neighborhood with bombs and planes and tanks and artillery and fucks with your shit and kills your family. Like that it changes you, it changes you. They want to take away everything you have everything to take for granted, you’ve enjoyed everything, you’ve built, everything you’ve thought you’ve taken for granted like your money, your investments, your bank account, your future, your your real estate, your your career, your friends, your university, your bars or restaurants, your your way of life. That’s that’s not going to fly.
MAX
Got 3 minutes.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, we’ve only got a few minutes and.
LUZER TWERSKY
So I’m I’m just gonna finish this thought, okay?
MAX
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
LUZER TWERSKY
So you have regular people people like me and you and everybody else, artists and theater directors and and and everybody is is taking up arms and fighting this thing and it’s, it’s really it’s, it’s, it’s I think it’s admirable they’re fighting for freedom they’re fighting for self-determination. It’s something that I can personally very much relate to as someone who escaped the cult, you know.
Dr. SUZY
Yeah, well I relate to that and I certainly feel solidarity with. Standing up against Putin and I feel solidarity with the Russians – I mean with the Ukrainians. And actually I do with the Russian anti-war protesters, and with a lot of the Russian people, that might be afraid to protest, but that do not like what is going on. Please do what you can is all I can say.
LUZER TWERSKY
And I’m going to end this segment with one more piece of breaking news, which is not good news because we’re talking about nuclear war.
Dr. SUZY
Oh no.
LUZER TWERSKY
This is breaking news. Of Kiev, a referendum on constitutional amendments in Belarus held today on February 27, is set to allow Russia to place nuclear weapons on the territory of Belarus. The vote will take place amid the Russian military presence in Belarus, which is which it uses to attack Ukraine from the north.
Dr. SUZY
Well, we’ve been talking about nuclear weapons.
LUZER TWERSKY
Things are not going well.
Dr. SUZY
They exist, and now they’re being moved to a more advantageous position for blowing up big portions of life. One of our placards here is “Drop Bras Not Bombs.”
MAX
Who was the artist that was with the KGB? Yes, yeah I’m very stoned save to forgive me that I don’t remember your name and the one that did this statue. The bust of you.
Dr. SUZY
Oh, uh Yossi.
MAX
Yossi, yeah, Yossi
Dr. SUZY
Hi there, Yossi
MAX
Yeah, Yossi in the KGB
Dr. SUZY
Well, he was in the KGB and he cleared.
MAX
Yeah, but he was saying you know when he would talk about it is that’s what this is. What they’re going to do.
Dr. SUZY
Or did he say he was in the KGB or he was in the Israeli Massad? Or both? Well, he was in Russia, I think. He was always changing whatever he was saying, but he was cool.
MAX
One way or the other, yeah.
Dr. SUZY
Anyway, he’s a great sculptor and he did a beautiful bust of me. Anyway Yossi, I hope your friends are OK, and please tell them to protest the war. Because something’s gotta give, You gotta try. You gotta protest. You gotta get out into the street just like Vladimir Lenin took the Russian workers out into the street to protest their Tsar. The people of Russia have got to come out.
MAX
Yeah
LUZER TWERSKY
How much time do we have?
MAX
We’re we’re one minute over.
LUZER TWERSKY
I have a good piece of breaking news OK go.
Dr. SUZY
OK.
LUZER TWERSKY
Ahead piece of good breaking news as of two hours ago there were Russian tanks in Kharkiv which is the second largest city after Kiev, and and as of four minutes ago. At least half of Russian forces in Kharkiv are destroyed, so progress.
Dr. SUZY
OK, and we know this is true. This is not disinformation.
LUZER TWERSKY
Nope, this is coming straight from the ground.
Dr. SUZY
The horse’s mouth. The Ukrainian texts. Ok, well that’s encouraging. Although this is not a war-watching show, we’ve been war-watching tonight.
LUZER TWERSKY
Well, that’s why you brought me on, right? Because I know what’s going on in Ukraine.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, we wanted to know more about what’s really going on because we have had a pain in our brain from Ukraine. This is the Ukraine Love Train. We want to support Ukraine but we want to understand it and we also want to understand the bad guy, the archvillain, the bully. Because when you’ve got an archvillain like that, and you make him more and more of an archvillain and less and less of a human being, that’s what he acts like, which he is now, I know. But he can get worse. It can get a lot worse.
So… Make Kink Not War.
MAX
OK.
Dr. SUZY
So where are we? One more statement and say goodbye?
MAX
No goodbye.
LUZER TWERSKY
I have one more statement.
Dr. SUZY
A quick statement, not a report.
LUZER TWERSKY
Now a quick statement to illustrate the difference of how life was before the war and after the war on a certain date. The date the war started. My telegram channel where I get updates on the availability of sex workers in Ukraine stopped reporting.
Dr. SUZY
Wow, that is sad, I have to say.
MAX
All the hookers left.
LUZER TWERSKY
That’s how you know life is changed.
Dr. SUZY
How can you make love if all the channels are gone?
LUZER TWERSKY
You can’t, can’t even buy pussy.
Dr. SUZY
What do you do? Wow.
MAX
We we gotta go on that serious note.
Dr. SUZY
Yes, so we’ve got to keep the channels open. We have to work together and protest together and try as people of the world to stop World War 3 from rolling into our lives, every single life on Earth. So, make like bonobos, not baboons. Make Love, Not War. Make love to someone you love tonight, even if that someone is you.
Dr. SUZY
I love you. I love you too, Vladimir, but this has got to stop. Love you, love you, love you. Luzer Twersky and Capt’n Maximillian, thank you.
MAX
Dr. Suzy. That was great. Very interesting.
Show Length 01:28:39 Date: February 26, 2022
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03 · 8 · 22 @ 12:10 pm
Your anti-war wisdom is surely needed in this day and age. It is easy to fall into the glorious righteous feelings of war but the reality is war is just not a good thing and we need less of it, hell, we need none of it.
Keep preaching the good word or the Bonobo Way! Make love not war :-)
03 · 3 · 22 @ 12:32 am
Thank you for standing with Ukraine against this vicious utterly unjustifiable invasion, but not being taken in by the warmongers and Russophobes.
03 · 3 · 22 @ 12:31 am
Thanks to You, I listened to Abby Martin on this, so now after immersing myself in both Your podcasts, I’m better informed and more alarmed. We socialists of the world have to stop the sociopathic imperialists – in Ukraine, Gaza, the Americas, everywhere – but how? Can we go the Bonobo Way? Great idea for getting Putin laid, playing a little bondage game & then keeping him tied up and gagged while the rest of us stop this crazy war.
03 · 3 · 22 @ 12:28 am
This is the time for fans to really take the time and truly listen to what you have to say. Our sexual emotions are all over the place, Guilt and pleasure. Relief. There are people dying and I’m using a vibrator??? Dead body mannequins left on the road… Well Cuz, you can tell I’m stoned and rambling on but you really are reaching out and doing something to help in the way only you can.
03 · 3 · 22 @ 12:25 am
Lust is it
03 · 3 · 22 @ 12:17 am
This is a discussion that all the power players of the world need to hear right now.
03 · 2 · 22 @ 4:58 pm
Putin is clearly a man stuck in a former sociopolitical age. Does Putin actually sleep well at night? I bet Putin is completely disconnected from his own soul because of his bullying anger and pride. And so the world sees through this bullshit, it will just be a matter of time, lives and money. It what combination will it prove to be too “expensive” to pursue further bullying? Dr Suzy’s interview with her guest Luzer is an eye opening tale from behind the scenes in Ukraine. Thanks for those insights Dr Suzy!
03 · 2 · 22 @ 2:29 am
Welcome back Luzer!
03 · 1 · 22 @ 10:29 pm
Dr. Suzy, Max, Luzer, thank you for dedicating your latest episode to discussing what’s going on the Ukraine. This has been the most illuminating account of what is going on, so now I feel like I understand better what’s happening over there. While sex and pleasure help bring peace, I also know that educating the masses is important in fighting any war! Thank you for educating and stimulating!
03 · 1 · 22 @ 4:59 pm
Thank you so much for this thoughtful show about the Ukraine Invasion. I just became a mother myself and found the news camera sight of fleeing mothers and their progeny heartbreaking.
Thank you for your guest Luzer bringing us insight into this tragic situation. It’s unbelievable that this is happening.
03 · 1 · 22 @ 1:56 am
Ukraine is a true downer on the path to peace – The Bonobo Way – Peace Through Pleasure. I like Dr. Suzy’s rationale…having sex more often during war, makes sense. The guest named, Luzor, I like him and what he has to say and all three of you brought truth to the forefront and painted the world stage with reality.
02 · 28 · 22 @ 11:47 pm
Dr. Suzy, you are so funny…Putin probably does need sex or to be liberated for a night or two. All that bullying must get to a person. Release his inner Bonobo would be great. Still, your show was a reality check of current events and the “real-time” updates were sobering and an eye-opener. Your guest was very informative and so right about this changing those people forever. Listening to all three of your views held my attention to the end.